Tuesday, November 27, 2007

by Nick

Marilyn Middleton-Pollock "Nobody Knows You" 1988

Nick said...
Better known for her jazz albums, Marilyn Middleton-Pollock produced two folk-orientated albums (although both contain an eclectic mix of styles: blues and jazz as well as folk): A Doll's House, which saw a CD release and this earlier album which only exists as a long-deleted LP.

Favourite songs are Vampire, Man In The Moon and Lock-keeper.

If you like this, I also recommend A Dolls House, available on CD.

Tracks :
01 - I Ain't Goin' To Play No Second Fiddle
02 - Vampire
03 - Man In The Moon
04 - Hesitation Blues
05 - You Can't Stay Here
06 - Nobody Knows You When You're Down And Out
07 - Try
08 - Wild Women Don't Get (Have) The Blues
09 - Greenfields
10 - Lock-keeper
11 - Bring On The Starlight
12 - Bedlam Boys


Blogger David Bruce said...

Thank you for this...

Infortunately, I don't have Bonnie Koloc's AFTER ALL THIS TIME (I covet that one, too), but I do have AT HER BEST on mp3 if you wish... let me know.


28 November, 2007 05:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Nick!

Great to see you contributing to this fine blog.

Yes, I DO have the aforementioned Bonnie Koloc album. It's up in the stacks somewhere, but since I'm busily looking for other LPs (Christmas ones mostly) I will keep an eye out for that one and rip it when I can get to it.



28 November, 2007 15:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@David Bruce - David, I would love to hear 'At Her Best' if you can post it some time. Many thanks.

@FolkPhile - that's great news :). The track from that album I mentioned in the Bonnie Koloc thread (if you read it) was from you, as you probably appreciate, I must have picked it up from the Child Ballad posts at some time.



28 November, 2007 20:39  
Anonymous gonzo said...

Thanks Nick,

This is a superb album, buy a little known (by me anyway) artist, it appeals to me because its content sits well into my 3 main areas of musical interest, Folk, Blues & Jazz
and of course Female vocalists, this woman has the power to shoot rockets up the spine, an effect only reserved for the likes of Billy Holiday, Ella and Nancy Wilson.

May I be permitted to make suggestions about the rip, not critisisms, for I agree with almost all of your findings on ripping and bit rate. There is still some residual noise left after your cleanup, this could probably be reduced a bit more IF you had left a little of the Run in - Run out untouched to allow a decent surface noise print to be taken. This noise varies across the surface of the disc, a fair compromise is to leave run in & run out for the middle tracks of each side, this allows further processing if required. Finally the use of Joint Stereo (JS) does create a blending of the stereo tracks above 8 kHz, this can re-shape the transients of any clicks and dust noise, making them less easy to detect for removal.
So pure stereo at 320k is the best choice.

29 November, 2007 17:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@gonzo - glad you liked the album. It's a shame she only produced two like this. I think all the others are jazz, though I don't have them.

Re the quality of the rip. I'm by no means an expert when it comes to cleaning vinyl. I remember when I did this one that I tried various noise reduction/vinyl restoration algorythyms using Sound Forge, including the taking of a noiseprint as you mention. I wasn't happy with the result. I could eliminate the noise, but the music was affected too much. Maybe this is due to the production of the record but equally it could be my skill. Contrast this rip to the Patty Reid that I posted, which came out much better (though there is still some noise).

But as I say I'm not an expert and I'm all for achieving better results where possible. Converting, cleaning and re-ripping mp3s is not a good idea in my opinion, but I am more than happy to supply the .wav files to anyone who wants to have a go with them.

As for Stereo vs Joint Stereo I've seen so many conflicting opinions that I've given up trying to decide which is best. LAME uses JS by default so it's easier to go with that. Also JS is (or was) used in some lossless compression techniques, like APE. I tend to think that if the source is good, and the cleaning is the best that can be achieved, Stereo or JS shouldn't make a noticeable difference. I don't mind being proved wrong though.

Let me know if you (or anyone) wants the .wav files for any of my rips.



29 November, 2007 22:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@gonzo again :) - I meant to add, re: Joint Stereo, that the blending you mentioned of left and right tracks at higher frequencies was used exclusively in the old Xing encoder (which is why it has such an awful reputation). LAME doesn't use such a method for JS. That's my understanding anyway from when I was trying to understand all this.

Re: the .wav files - I've kept them, but they are the resulting files after editing, not the originals, so no more run-in or -out. I'd have to re-rip the album to get originals.



29 November, 2007 23:20  
Anonymous gonzo said...

To sample the "breathed on" track 12


30 November, 2007 19:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's nicely cleaned, but I honestly prefer the first version. It's a matter of taste but when you perform noise reduction you always lose some of the music, some of the fullness, timbre, call it what you will. Some people prefer that to pops and clicks which they find very off-putting, and a third party who doesn't have the original to compare it to may well prefer the pop-free version.

I've done it both ways in the past and frequently changed my mind over which I prefer, but these days I lean more toward the 'less is more' philosophy when it comes to cleaning, unless the record is particularly bad.

Just my opinion :)



01 December, 2007 06:31  
Blogger Evan said...

Thank you so much for this. MMP is my aunt, and I've got the album on vinyl, but I've had it since I was much too young, and didn't take very good care of it. Unfortunately, since it's no longer available on vinyl and had never been released on CD, I didn't have any way of getting a clean copy. I'll have to get a copy of this to her. I know that she's been meaning to get it remastered and re-released on CD someday, but she's just never gotten around to it.

29 August, 2008 05:46  
Blogger S2 said...

This has been a Holy Grail for me, so thank you so much Nick. My dad heard the song on the radio 10 years ago and we've been hunting for it ever since.

Evan - should your aunt ever have it re-released on CD could you remember this wee blog and let us know? :o)

Thanks again!!!

08 November, 2008 02:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Evan - Just seen your comment. I expect there are better copies out there somewhere, but mine is quite good. If MMP goes ahead with the CD and masters/better copies can't be found, let me know (post a comment). I can lend you the record.



05 May, 2009 23:24  
Blogger MrSteveblog said...

Marilyn's album "Nobody Knows You" has been available on CD since 2001. She now goes by the more manageable name of "Marilyn Middleton"

02 September, 2011 01:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@MrSteveblog - about a CD release. Please provide a link to any reference to this. Marilyn's nephew (above) denies a CD release, as did Fellside when I contacted them years ago - but after 2001. Fellside did say, however, that Marilyn did provide CD-R copies on occasion, maybe this is what you are thinking of? If not, any information on this release would be appreciated, since I can find no reference to it.

27 October, 2011 07:21  

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